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Is it ever "OK" to point a gun at someone?

     Is it ever "OK" to Point a gun at People?

I recently saw a video in my news feed of an Instructor working one on one with a student in a private lesson.This Instructor was allowing this student to 

shootersimulate drawing her gun from a holster, and rotate her elbow, and lock her wrist to what some call a retention shooting position.  Now this all sounds good so far, the “problem” is he was standing in front of her and the weapon was pointed at him. As I read through the comments, I read many people’s opinions. Comments like these:

  • …and he would be following safety protocols
  • He should have his credentials revoked
  • It’s a felony to point a gun at someone, even in a class on guns

Now these comments went on for a long while, and I will not comment as to their meaning or accuracy.

Don’t get me wrong, in this case, this guy made some mistakes, and fortunately, no-one was hurt.  After watching this, and reading these comments, I had to sit down and ask, Is it ever ok to point a firearm at someone else in training?

My answer may surprise you, more on that later.

A while back, I asked a group of students, “Is it ever ok to point a gun at someone else?” Every person in this class said without delay “NO!” So, I posed some scenarios to them. Here are the scenarios I asked them to comment on. Please read them, and answer to yourself…

  • If you take an outing to the local Laser Tag venue, is it ok to point these laser guns at someone else?
  • If you go to the local paintball field and engage in a “Battle” is it ok to point these paintball guns at someone else?
  • If you go to the local airsoft field, is it ok to point these airsoft guns at someone else?
  • If you take a Force-on-Force class using UTM equipped guns, is it ok to point them at someone else?
  • If you take a Force-on-Force class using Simunition guns, is it ok to point them at someone else?
  • If a criminal is threatening you with serious bodily injury of death, is it ok to point your gun at them?

Their responses were all “YES!”.  So, I ask again, Is it ever ok to point a gun at someone in training?

     Well, I will say this, if the proper safety measures are taken, and there is a legitimate purpose for this training, then yes.  Now try not to get your feathers tooFSSWMP40SB ruffled.  I am not advocating randomly grabbing a gun off the shelf in the classroom, and pointing it at everyone in the room. I don’t believe we should be pointing guns at students in basic firearms orientation class, or a basic concealed carry permit class. As a matter of fact, I think the times where pointing a gun at someone should be chosen very carefully, and have a very specific purpose. The context of the training must be very clear, and the results must outweigh any possible safety concerns.  I  believe there are very strict protocols that must be in place to insure the safety of the participants.  I also believe there are enough training aids such as Blueguns, Sirt Pistols, and other props, that the need for using an actual firearm is few and far between.

     A colleague of mine recently worked with a group of law enforcement officers. They had AR-15s that had the Bolt Carrier Group removed, ECI( Empty Chamber Indicators) installed, and empty magazines inserted in the guns. All ammunition was removed from the training area, and everyone was patted down to ensure their pockets were empty. There was no risk of these guns being operational. This was this group of officers first foray into the FOF training. These guys were instructed to complete some drills, and some of these drills required, wait for it, pointing their duty weapon at another individual. An overwhelming 90% of these officers absolutely refused to complete this training at first. The question must be asked, if their lives were on the line, would they have been capable of pointing their guns at a felony threat? After some time, and work, they were all able to complete the training, and they all were thankful for the training they received.
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     I believe there is a need for stress inoculation in training.  Many law enforcement officers have an opportunity to participate in Force-on-Force training using Simunition/UTM guns. This gives them an opportunity to get shot at, and shoot back at people with paint-marker rounds in guns that look and act just like the guns they carry on duty.  This is a very efficient means of inducing stress into their training. This method of training allows them to see flaws in their training, and make corrections in a safe environment, but yes they are pointing guns at another person.

     Many civilians can take ECQ (Extreme Close Quarters) courses using UTM/Simunition guns to help them understand that civilian defensive encounters happen very quickly, and are very violent. Without this training, they would never see the gaps in their training.  There are some things that are difficult, nearly impossible to train for while standing on a one-way range shooting slow fire at a paper target.

     Have you ever participated in a combat sport? Boxing? Wrestling? Martial Arts?  All the training you do working on technique, working on a bag, shadow boxing seems to leave your mental consciousness the moment you get punched, kicked, or taken down.  Oh, maybe not, because in those sports, you train for Force-on-Force with a training partner who punches you, kicks you, takes you down and tries to hurt you.  So why is it ok to spar in that arena, but not do the same thing in a controlled environment dealing with something like a lethal force threat?

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     In closing, I will say this. I do believe we should be vigilant about safety when training.  I will also say we need to make time, and set aside the money needed to attend these courses, and get some Force-on-Force training.  Just make sure the person leading the class has a very strict set of safety protocols to ensure the participants do not get hurt.

Thank you for taking time out of your day to read this. 


Why Hojutsu-Ryu


Why Hojutsu?

     Last July, Caryl, Billy and I attended a 3 day Hojutsu Seminar Featuring Soke (Founder) Jeff Hall and Sensei(Teacher) Norman Hood Hosted by Mad Duck training. During this seminar we spent half a day in the Dojo working on Traditional Martial arts skills, and a Kata. The interesting part of this Kata was the introduction of a handgun in a kata. I had not seen this before. I have seen , tonfa, nunchaku, sai, bokken, well you get the picture, but never a handgun kata. Now as a firearms instructor and avid shooter, and also someone with an interest on “Karate” you have my attention.

     We spent the rest of day one on the range with Soke Hall, and Sensei Hood. It was obvious immediately both of these men knew what they were doing. Their gun handling skills were top shelf. Their understanding of the techniques were extraordinary, and their ability to teach these techniques was equally solid. Both of these men spent their time in service to this country, and to the great state of Alaska as Alaska State Troopers. They have both had armed confrontations, and are here to teach others how to handle it if they should find themselves in a defensive confrontation.

     In order to understand Hojutsu, we must understand a bit about the “Soke” (Founder) The following was taken from his website: http://www.forceoptions.net/about.php

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     “Jeff Hall

Owner and lead instructor Jeff Hall is a retired lieutenant from the Alaska State Troopers, with over 25 years of combined military and law enforcement experience. While a Trooper, Jeff spent nineteen years on the pistol team and twelve on the S.W.A.T. team; he has used all of the techniques taught by Force Options in combat.

Hall is one of the only US police officers to win an air-to-ground firefight against an armed criminal. This occurred on 5/19/84 at Manley Hot Springs, Alaska; it was recently featured on theHistory Channel'sSniper: Deadliest Missions.

Jeff is NRA Distinguished, one of 25Handgun Combat Mastersin the world, and holds black belts in five arts, ranging from 3rd through 10th Dan. He is an NRA certified instructor in handgun, shotgun, submachine gun, carbine, and precision rifle; an NRA Adjunct Staff Instructor; and certified Police Master Instructor. All Force Options instructors are similarly qualified.

Jeff has published numerousarticles, written several training manuals, and currently travels across the U.S. teaching for several professional training associations. Jeff is currently training for the Four Weapon Combat Master test, and to become the second ever to pass the Handgun Combat Master test with a revolver.

In 2005 Jeff was inducted into the U.S. Martial Arts Hall of Fame, and in 2007 into the Universal Martial Arts Hall of Fame. He was named Grandmaster, promoted to 10th dan, and named "soke", or founder, of the art of Hojutsu-Ryu, the Art of Shooting.

It is also important that you know a bit about our “Sensei” (Teacher).


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About Sensei Hood. Taken from his website:http://www.defensivesolutionsllc.com/instructors/

   Norman Hood retired as a Command Sergeant Major from the US Army after 24 years of service and then spent six years with the Alaska State Troopers before entering Government Security Contract positions. Norm has more than 35 years’ experience in operational law enforcement, training, logistical and support planning for private security companies, military and state police organizations. He is a certified instructor of law enforcement subjects by the Alaska Police Standards Council. He has Extensive “Use of Force” training experience with lethal and less-lethal weapons and 28 plus years conducting rifle, pistol and shotgun training, including Concealed Carry courses as an independent contractor with a private firearms academy in Alaska and as a former adjunct instructor at Blackwater Worldwide, Inc. Norm is a NRA instructor certified in Pistol, Rifle, Shotgun, Refuse to be a Victim, and Chief Range Safety Officer and holds the “NRA Distinguished Expert Pistol” rating. Norm has graduated from the Anchorage Police Department Citizens Academy, the South Bend Citizens Police Academy and the St. Joseph County Citizens Police Academy. Norm is a member of the Church Security Alliance and is an Affiliate Instructor, Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network. He is a member of the International Law Enforcement Educators and Trainers Association (ILEETA) and is certified by the State of Indiana as an Emergency Medical Responder, the State of Illinois as a Certified Firearms Instructor, Illinois Concealed Carry Firearms Instructor, UTAH Concealed Firearms Certified Instructor, GLOCK Professional as a GLOCK Armorer, and FEMA as an Active Shooter Responder Trainer. Norm is Shodan, 1st Dan (Black Belt) in Hojutsu-Ryu (the Martial Art of Shooting) and a student of Okinawan Shorin-Ryu karate.

    As you can read here, these men are not new to the industry, training, teaching, or Martial arts.


      Day 2,& Day 3 we were split up into 2 groups so there was plenty of room on the firing line. We went through multiple drills, as you would expect in a firearmsLine from the Right training course. What I found interesting was the way these drills were designed. There were 3 different courses of fire.

  The first is the “Short Course”- this course of fire is 48 rounds with the students shooting from 2yds out to 25 yds. We find ourselves shooting from the holster, low ready(Guard), optional positions at 25yds, strong hand only, and support hand only.

     The second is the “School Drills” – In this 50 round course of fire, we find ourselves working from the 3yd. line all the way out to 50yds. And the time limits are serious. The first drill on this list is 2 rounds in 1.5sec. at 3yds. This is no small task for even experienced shooters. During this set of drills we also find ourselves at 50yds (position optional) 2 rounds in 6.8 seconds. There are also directional responses to targets, multiple targets, and time limits for reloads, and type 1,2,and 3 malfunctions. This course of fire is designed to push Hojutsu students to shoot accurately, and quickly, as well as address threats from different positions, and at long distances.

The third course of fire “Hojutsu PPC”- is a 60 round course of fire working from 5 yds out to 25 yds, shot on a B-27 target, and is designed to push the student to work on accuracy. With reloads, use of cover, strong hand only, support hand only, and a reload in almost every drill.

Group on the range 2 CP

      Now I hear those of you that have taken intermediate or advanced courses, you are saying this is nothing new. Well, I disagree. These drills are all scored on targets designed specifically for use in this course, and timed, but any miss is a disqualification. Yes, one miss is a disqualification and the score doesn’t count. One of the overarching themes of Hojutsu is 100% round accountability.

     In order for a student to grow through the ranks of this martial art, they must learn the open hand techniques, the Katas, research firearms history, and take a written test, shoot with 100% round accountability, and shoot quickly. There are also reading assignments which include “The Book of Five Rings”, “On Combat”, and “On Killing”. There are also courses of fire written for Shotgun, Defensive rifle, precision rifle, Edged weapons, and contact weapons.

     As with most things in life, work, family, and a multitude of other distractions get in the way. We as a family were forced to focus on too many aspects of life and we had to put Hojutsu on the back burner. In November Caryl was diagnosed with Breast Cancer (Talk about a major curve ball), but we decided to turn lemons into lemonade. Caryl and I made the decision to close my carpentry business (because it required me to travel for extended periods of time, which is just NOT an option anymore) and open a full time training facility. When we discussed this choice, one of the things we decided is a must, is we are going to start the long journey to earn our Dan, Shodan ( Black Belt) in Hojutsu. We also made the decision that we are going to make it a consistent offering in our facility.

     We realize many people understand that they need to train with their firearms. Most of you realize, no matter how good your initial firearms training course was, it was still rather basic, and your retention of the information provided degrades as you do not practice. We also understand that life is busy, and taking multiple full day courses in a year to grow your skills is just not an easy thing to do. With Hojutsu, we have pre-packaged coursework for both range work, and open hand skills to offer. This program will give us a program that we can work on with you for just an hour or two at a time from week to week, with goals to work toward, ranking and belts.

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      So how do we move forward? This past weekend Sensei Norman Hood traveled to our facility with one of his Brown Belts Mark. Eleven students, 3 returning, and 8 new with various firearms experience, and martial arts backgrounds attended this 1-1/2 day intense training. The ages of these students ranged from 13-73. Everyone in the group worked hard, and progressed  anywhere form Yellow Belt to Purple Belt. I myself earned the rank of Sanku (Brown Belt).  Sensei Hood left us with a list of skills to work on, and practice until he returns with Soke Hall in July. And then again when Sensei Hood Returns to our facility in October.

   Martial Arts offer a multitude of skills to students of the art. Too often we as shooters go to the range, shoot at targets, and feel like we accomplished something. Martial artists understand Character, Sincerity, Effort, Etiquette, Self-Control, as well as the skills of the art. Through Hojutsu, A Martial Artist can become an accomplished shooter, and a shooter can become an accomplished martial artist. We can learn the honor, respect, and self-discipline needed to progress as not only shooters, but as people.  We can learn the skills necessary to defend ourselves, and our loved ones both armed and unarmed. We will not only grow in skills but have personal growth. Those who start out in this art young, will learn valuable skills and attitude that will help them succeed in whatever they venture to do in life.

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